Out Lines in Blue

[John Biggs]

Hi Kevin,
please find attached a sib 5 file of Out lines in Blue - (I gave it a bit of a tidy up .... or so I thought) and reloaded it on to score exchange recently. I guess it's not as tidy as I thought!

Cheers John.

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[Kevin]

I am afraid that I cannot open it in Sib 6, it says the file is corrupted. Can you e-mail me the score?

[Kevin]

It has opened now!!

[Kevin]

Sorry John but you will have to take out all the triplets!

Add Swing as the tempo and sibelius plays it back that way. You would never see all those triplets in swing music.

Check the example and try it for yourself.

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[fundrazor]

In terms of printed out music, Kevin, I would have to agree with you. In terms of playback, it's not always the solution. If you write it out "straight" and then just ask for "swing" for the playback, it swings absolutely everything which isn't always what is needed. So, for example, in two of my Gershwin arrangements, on is in straight 4/4 but the other is 12/8 in order to ensure the right playback.

[Kevin]

I think Sibelius let's you tweak the playback. Just to repeat you would never present a big band with something in 12/8.

[John Biggs]

Hi Kevin and Julian,
thanks for the advice. Yes I will give that a whirl and try writing it with the Sib Swing feel rather than the 12/8 triplets, I just wanted to try and make sure the rhythms were played as accurate as possible to convey the swing feel.

It does look a bit messy i've got to say. But strangely enough this is one of the few scores where i have had a few purchases.

[Kevin]

Good news about people buying it John. Let us know how you get on with the editing.

[John Biggs]

Hi,
please find attached re - edited version of Outlines in blue. The play back rhytmically is pretty much the same and it looks much neater to read. Thanks for the advice.

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[Kevin]

Still not right yet John sorry to say. Obviously it sounds great but the layout is still wrong in places.

Also I noticed the lack of articulation marks. This kind of ensemble would sound a lot tighter if there were some there. I have added a few at letter A when the ensemble come in to give you an idea.(Of course you do not need to use them!)

It is wise not to use dotted minim rests (there were a lot of them)when you use rests it is far easier and usual to read a minim and a crotchet.

Make sure that you indications of a dynamic are under a note, not a rest. Also do not indicate a crescendo over a bar rest.

Grace notes need to be semi-quavers before D.

I have changed the layout of the notes in the sop line at D.

I hope that helps.

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[John Biggs]

Hi Kevin,
thanks for the feed back - I (think) i've addressed most points raised. (file attached) -- however wasn't sure what was problematic about the layout?

Thanks

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[Kevin]

You have some problems relating to accents John.

1. ^ is a short hard accent. You have put - over the notes where you have some of the accents.

2. In places you have a . under an >. A ^ would be preferable.

3. Before letter A you have a - in a slur on the sop line, this is not needed.

4. In bar 82 I would have used a sfz under the last note for impact.

5. The punch chords at C should have ^ over the first one and > over the second one as they are longer.

6. At letter D you just need ^ without the .

7. Finally can I suggest that you maybe use a jazz font.

Hope that helps again!

[John Biggs]

Hi Kevin,
Slightly concerned I have trouble relating to my accents (Sounds like some deep rooted Psychological problem - Probably is!) - no seriously - I think I've got this sorted now. Thanks for clarifying this for me - hopefully this is the final version.

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[Kevin]

It nearly is John. Just one thing you missed. Bar 38 Baritone Sax rests.

Apart from the choice of font for some of the dynamics this is much better and will perform better for the attention to the rests as well.

[Kevin]

Well done getting it performed John!

[John Biggs]

Thanks Kevin,
I think I ought to clarify the Live bit though! The recording is actually me playing all 4 Parts - all saved as Wave files then Pitch shifted the Bari & Sop to the correct pitch - and a little Jiggery pokery. It was quite time cosuming to do - but I think the end result - is probably fairly accurate on how it might sound - got quite excited when it came out the speakers!

[Kevin]

I can remember trying to multi track with a high end reel to reel, it took ages!