how saxes are used in mixed ensembles

[adrianallan]

On the subject of Saxophones, I wondered if some advice could be given on their inclusion into mixed ensembles. This is probably the wrong place to ask, but I couldn't find a reply button in the right section.

I know that this is something that you know about, Kevin, in your ensemble.

Do you give the alto saxophone a harmonic role in the middle of the woodwinds, or do you sometimes double the viola line?

How about the tenor saxophone - does this often support the bass in octaves?

Is the alto sax the preferred solo instrument?

I know there are no fixed solutions, but the saxes probably have a normal "role" within a mixed ensemble and I'm not experienced enough to know what this may be.

thanks.

[Kevin]

Thanks for asking Adrian.

Saxophones are very much a harmonic and melodic instrument, especially Alto and Tenor. If I use them in my ensemble I use them to bolster a clarinet line mainly. They can be used with a viola but for that I prefer to use the more mellow clarinet.

I never use the tenor sax as a bass instrument. I use it for the slightly deeper register as a harmony instrument.

As for a solo instrument, that all depends on the melody and what you wish to achieve. Both are fine solo instruments.

Hope this helps Adrian. If you want to post a few bars I can give you a better idea.

[wizzarts]

Hello Adrian,

in Concertbands the Sax-part is clearly defined. In mixed Ensembles I sometimes use the Alto to double the horn. That gives a nice color.
Also the Tenor goes well with a high cello-part to get a different shape.

Kevin has given very good hints. Alto-Sax should played more the french way (smooth and melancholically), otherwise it can be a bit too rough.

The part of saxophones in a classical ensemble is not defined yet.

So why not fooling around a bit? You are the composer and when you like it and it covers the range, - well, just do it.

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